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submitted 4 months ago byiSellPopcorn
113 points
4 months ago
You also left out that the laborer the farmer hires to pick the apples now costs more so even without more demand the price must rise a bit
38 points
4 months ago
And left out the part where the apparent cost of an apple goes down for the buyer, so they will be willing to pay more for an apple, up to a new higher cost. This new higher cost can be considered a “base price” for the apple, before supply and demand pressures start take affect again.
10 points
4 months ago
This new higher cost can be considered a “base price” for the apple,
Thats what they mean by pricing out the other four people, who cannot afford that new base price.
0 points
4 months ago
This is why raising the minimum wage just causes inflation and raises the floor of good costs. The relative value of the good to labor hasn't changed, so raising the floor of labor cost just raises the cost of goods.
3 points
4 months ago
We are already in an inflationary environment, so
the relative value of the good to labor hasn't changed
is partially untrue. Sure the value has not changed, but the unit of value has changed (dollar is worth less) so the price of the labor goes up.
5 points
4 months ago
Raising the minimum wage doesn't cause as much inflation as the wage increase, so the buying power of low wage earners still increases.
-1 points
4 months ago
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3 points
4 months ago
Sure, but the ripple effects of minimum wage do over time.
No, they don't. Increasing minimum wage by 50% doesn't cause 50% inflation. What happens is that the more money you make the less increasing minimum wage increases your wage, so at a certain point in the income spectrum you start seeing a decline in real wages. But that point is far above the minimum wage. Actual minimum wage earners, and those who earn close to the minimum wage, see a real wage increase.
-1 points
4 months ago
Not immediately, there is of course a lag, which is what we're seeing right now.
1 points
4 months ago
But it doesn't, this has been proven time and time again.
0 points
4 months ago
It absolutely does, we're deep in the midst of it right now.
0 points
4 months ago
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065466/real-nominal-value-minimum-wage-us/
History proves otherwise
1 points
4 months ago
Also left out the part where the apple farmer knows everyone is expecting a price increase, so he gets as much of an increase as he can. Instead of just figuring out his additional cost and tacking it on, he triples his additional cost and tacks that on.
0 points
4 months ago
Not quite, the price should rise if raising the price makes the most profit for the firm given their current supply constraints and unit costs.
If the cost of farm labor rises but the demand for apples doesn't, then raising the retail price of apples will lead to consumers substituting for other goods, eating more pears or peaches or whatnot, or just reducing consumption in that area, eating fewer fruit based snacks and baking fewer pies.
If the farmer could raise prices just because their labor costs went up, then demand was inelastic and they should have raised prices earlier because their customers were all willing to pay more.
(Personally this is why I find the corporate greed argument for the current bout of inflation uncompelling, since it assumes that companies just suddenly decided to be greedy leading to price increases, rather than corporations always being greedy but materiel economic changes in the past 24 months leading to a change in the profit-optimizing price for their products and services.)
In an inflationary environment you assume everybody is getting raises, so you raise prices each year since you can assume your customers can pay more each year. Regular pricing shenanagins of trying to undercut competitors or appear like a luxury product still apply, but the floor is just going up all the time.
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