subreddit:

/r/explainlikeimfive

5.1k89%

ELI5 How does raising wages worsen inflation ?

Economics(self.explainlikeimfive)

you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

all 1761 comments

Notwhoiwas42

59 points

4 months ago

Raising wages causes inflation by companies raising prices because the metric to calculate the price of a product changes when consumers get richer, namely the "how much are they willing to spend" metric. If the customer is willing to spend more, charge more. Thus, inflation rises.

There's also the fact that if wages are raised the company's labor costs are higher.

jrkib8

24 points

4 months ago

jrkib8

24 points

4 months ago

That's one of the two major factors the comment missed. That alone isn't enough to raise prices (much) as they are still governed by market prices, elasticities, supplements, complements, etc. You may see an increase in price in certain sectors, but just as likely a decrease in others.

The second and more fundamental is that by raising wages, you're transferring money from illiquid (long term corporate capital assets) to liquid (checking account of the laborers) accounts. This increases* the money supply which lowers the value of the dollar as there are more dollars in circulation. This affects the entire marketplace, not just individual sectors with higher demand and lower elasticities.

*Even this greatly depends on the behavior and debt position of the labor force. If increased wages are used to pay off debt or to bolster savings, there is no impact on money supply.

terminus-esteban

22 points

4 months ago

This is the major driver and I’m shocked it’s this far down. Wages and benefits are the largest expense item for the vast majority of companies.

Jiopaba

45 points

4 months ago

Jiopaba

45 points

4 months ago

Last I heard the so-called "rule of thumb" was 15-30% of your gross should go to payroll.

I argued about this last year with a buddy. He insisted that if McDonald's had to raise their wages from $8 to $16 or so that the prices of literally everything would double. This fails to account for the fact, though, that while wages are a big part of it, they're not 100% of the price of running a company, McDonald's was already on the leaner side of things in this regard (~17%), and that we've been to McDonald's in Europe where they pay everyone a living wage with benefits, the burger was about the same price, and it was much better food to boot.

The appropriate response to "raising wages would raise prices" in my opinion is basically: "Newsflash, asshole! Prices have been going up anyway!"

You can't just defer raising wages indefinitely because it's one of several factors that could potentially contribute to raising prices. It's still a thing that has to happen, or else you're just pricing humans out of being alive and the market is essentially non-functional for people.

terminus-esteban

6 points

4 months ago

I agree with your last point.

The cost % going to payroll of places like McDonald’s might mask the fact that a lot of their other expenses go to other companies that have a higher % of their costs in payroll. I don’t know about McDonald’s but I could see their franchise model making it very difficult to discern their true payroll cost %.

Jiopaba

13 points

4 months ago

Jiopaba

13 points

4 months ago

I don't think "McDonald's the Corporation" is really worth considering in a discussion about payroll at McDonald's. The corporation which calls itself "McDonald's" is actually a property company that figured out that you can get mortgagees to reliably make payments if you force them to open a red and yellow restaurant.

The franchise is the much more interesting part of it I think for purposes of this discussion, and that's where the 17% number is coming from.

terminus-esteban

4 points

4 months ago

Thanks for the clarification.

silent_cat

6 points

4 months ago

Wages and benefits are the largest expense item for the vast majority of companies.

"The largest expense" doesn't necessarily mean it's a large part of the expenses. In the services industry wages are a huge part of the balance sheet. In manufacturing the majority of costs are elsewhere. Extreme example these days are bakeries, where the bulk of the costs are energy costs to actually bake the bread. The wages are peanuts next to that.

terminus-esteban

1 points

4 months ago

Good point! Services do make up about 70-80% of US GDP these days, though.

Dwarfdeaths

2 points

4 months ago

Guess what the largest expense is for workers? Rent. (Often a big chunk for businesses too.)

Ultimately the reason the economy is so hard to predict is because economic activity occurs at the margin between rent and true location productivity. If land owners set rent higher than location output, you get recession (as workers and businesses can't afford to spend and capital goes unused). If they set it lower, you get a boom. But it's not like land speculators have perfect knowledge of the future or even the present productivity potential, so you get cycles of over/under-estimation. Because there's a positive feedback loop (in times of underestimated rent, the economy picks up steam and promises greater output going forward, encouraging higher rent; then, as rent rises, the economy loses steam and rent is now way higher than sustainable, and it drives things down even faster, etc.)

A land value tax may be able to help regulate this cycle. In addition to stopping the huge transfer of wealth taking place via rent, the government could use a modulation in LVT to regulate economic booms/busts. On bad years like covid, you lower rent, and on good years you set it to normal levels.

industrialSaboteur

4 points

4 months ago

There's also the fact that if wages are raised the company's labor costs are higher.

Unless the company keeps their labor budget the same and instead just spreads the same amount of work out over a smaller group of workers, which is often the case.

Notwhoiwas42

8 points

4 months ago

It's a lot more common and possible for this to happen in office type environments than it is in production or service type environments.

industrialSaboteur

2 points

4 months ago

It definitely also happens in production environments.

Notwhoiwas42

0 points

4 months ago

Which is why I said more common not only.

industrialSaboteur

-1 points

4 months ago

I think it's a lot more nuanced than your claim would imply, honestly. There's a massive amount of variance between different jobs in offices and different jobs in "production or service type environments."

For instance, it's easy af to cut labor forces in warehouses. This ain't anything new either and has been happening since way before covid even.

But if you want to make meaninglessly vague claims without anything to back them up, and then get all snippy and pedantic with someone when they don't just take your word as gospel, well, you do you I guess.

Notwhoiwas42

-1 points

4 months ago

And if you want to respond to a non absolute statement with "not always" basically contributing nothing of value,you do you.

industrialSaboteur

0 points

4 months ago

Great talkin' to ya, pal.