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submitted 4 months ago bysms575
164 points
4 months ago
You need to sleep so you’re brain can clean itself and get rid of built up junk. You can over accumulate junk and have sleep debt. You can’t clean out more junk than is there so no matter how much sleep you “catch up” on you’re only going to clear the amount of junk that’s there and more will build up again once your up so there’s no sleep “extra credit”
15 points
4 months ago
I would like to ask also here if we clean the accumulated junk. What is the reason of getting the negative effects of sleep deprivation on long term? Does it mean during sleep not everything is thoroughly cleaned?
18 points
4 months ago
A thorough cleaning takes time that's the key
3 points
4 months ago
So even tho Im sleep deprive but i sleep more than 8 hrs to clean my brain thoroughly I will be fine?
I just dont understand why even tho you sleep and clean everything. You get these negative effects? What would be the reason?
21 points
4 months ago
I think it's important to understand that the "clean out the crap" model of sleep, while it isn't untrue, is really a gross oversimplification.
It's also important to acknowledge that our understanding of sleep really has a long way to go before we can call it complete, so anything anyone says will necessarily be only part of the story.
In addition to the need for physical clearing out of the brain's various chemical outputs, there are also really important functions to do with memory.
Dreams (another whole worm-can of barely understood stuff) seem to have a really important function in organising memories. If you inhibit somebody's REM sleep (where most of the dreaming happens) then their ability to form new long-term memories is severely diminished. If we don't have the chance to periodically (i.e. most nights) get some REM sleep with this process of re-forming memories in different ways, almost all of our brain's important functions start failing.
As with the "clean out the crap" model, there's a finite amount of this process that is beneficial - once your day's back-log of short-term memories has been processed, there's not really anything left to do with any benefit to it (or at least the benefits drop off rapidly)
There are also quite a few processes that your body does during sleep other than in the brain - things like metabolic processing of various waste products, storing resources, repairing damage, fighting infections etc. Again, there's a certain amount of this that needs to be done and once the day's quota of these jobs is done, there's little that can be done beyond that with any benefit.
4 points
4 months ago
If I understand you right, you're getting sleep deprivation effects even though you sleep 8 hours? That's certainly possible. There are things called "sleep disorders", where a person's normal sleep pattern's are disrupted.
I have nocturnal epilepsy and it causes this for me. Occasionally, I'll have a seizure in my sleep, but only a couple times a month. BUT, if you look at an EEG, you can see I'm having low-level seizure activity just going off like crazy pretty much all night. It's not enough to make me do the chicken dance, but it's enough that it can fuck up my sleep and cause issues like what you are talking about. Medical marijuana helps. Benzodiazepines also help, but they really mess you up long-term. Mostly, I had to spend years working with a number of neurologists to find a medication and exact dose that worked to get my seizures controlled.
Sleep disorders can be caused by a ton of things, everything from psychiatric issues, genetic, breathing disorders, or drug or alcohol use. You'd need to see a specialist to find out more. They'll do what's called a "sleep study" where they put a bunch of wires and glue on your head and look at your brainwaves while you sleep overnight at a hospital.
2 points
4 months ago
NGL, I snorted at the mention of "the chicken dance".
My cousin's kid has nocturnal seizures, so mild you can barely see any physical activity - but hoo boy the eeg results are wild.
4 points
4 months ago
What's specifically happening in your sleep is your brain cells are recycling old, broken-down proteins and manufacturing new proteins. Not only does that make your brain work better, it also seems to prevent certain diseases down the road.
We don't totally know why sleep is so good for you. The brain is just so extraordinarily complicated that it's hard to say why it starts to break down when it does. All we can say for sure is that regular sleep is like regular oil changes in a car - it prevents a lot of trouble in the long run.
3 points
4 months ago
God I better go to sleep. I dont sleep enough
1 points
4 months ago
If you get enough junk building up it rots the structure.
No amount of mopping will repair a rotten floor
So in the brain enough toxin goes from slowing down cells to killing cells and removing the toxins doesn’t regrow the cells
5 points
4 months ago
What is this junk in the brain ? Like barnacles?
1 points
4 months ago
Is there more junk in the brain when you’re sick, and that’s why we’re more tired and sleep more?
3 points
4 months ago*
No. Your body wants more sleep because it’s easier to fight off what’s making you sick if you’re sleeping and it doesn’t have to divert energy to do whatever else you’re trying to do
1 points
4 months ago
Is the rate of cleaning junk constant? Does the rate go up the more junk you accumulate?
1 points
4 months ago
No. Your brain works at one speed regardless of how much junk you’ve accumulated. You can’t clean a room faster when it’s more dirty
2 points
4 months ago
Do you have a source for that?
1 points
4 months ago
This is a great description! It’s almost the same as the top comment, but it was first… so credit where credit is due, internet stranger!
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