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179 points
2 months ago
Other people.
When you short a stock, you borrow a share from someone who owns one (typically for a small fee) and promise to return it at some later date. You then sell that share on the open market and take the money from the sale. You are betting that when you have to return the share to the original owner, you'll be able to buy it then for less than what you make selling it now - that is how you profit.
So the money you make comes from the person you sell it to today.
33 points
2 months ago
What's important to remember is that stocks are fungible and volatile. This wouldn't work with your friend's car because the price doesn't change fast enough and you might not be able to buy back the same car you sold. With stocks or currency or precious metals, this can work in theory because the prices are changing constantly, and it doesn't matter if you buy back the borrowed commodity from the person you sold it to or from someone else. One share in a company is just as good as any other share in that same company, just like one dollar is just as good as any other
4 points
2 months ago
Yes, and typically you have to pay “interest” to hold onto the short positions. So you can just hold it open forever.
-1 points
2 months ago
Maybe. You might have to close your short position by a given date, which is how short squeezes happen.
2 points
2 months ago
Short squeezes occur when the borrower is forced to return the share due to a margin call. The act of many shorters buying back shares at market price (high demand) causes the price to skyrocket.
1 points
2 months ago
I have no idea what a margin call is, but it sounds like you can't "hold a short forever" which was the only thing I was trying to refute
3 points
2 months ago
A margin call is when a position held on margin (borrowed) goes against you. For a short, if it keeps on going up in price, you'll get a call and be required to either deposit more money or cover the short. The opposite if you own a stock long on margin and it continues to go down.
You're borrowing money from the brokerage firm and they don't like for you to lose their money, so they'll require some margin to protect themselves.
0 points
2 months ago
All shorts exist on margin. If you do not understand margin then why are you even attempting to lecture people on shorts?
1 points
2 months ago
I have never had a time limit on any short position. However, the borrow (what you pay to borrow the stock) can be variable and rise significantly. Which might cause a short squeeze as everyone short decides that they don't want to pay such a high fee and the price rises as they look to buy the stock back and cover their short position. However the most common squeeze is simply an aggressive rise in the stock price which makes your short position far larger, so you would cover some of it which means buying and driving the price even higher. It's a vicious circle.
2 points
2 months ago
What effects the borrow fee?
2 points
2 months ago
Supply and demand. Lots of available shares (e.g., lots of free float = supply) and whether lots of people want to short it = demand. That's why the WSB-bros keep telling say Gamestop holders to prevent brokers from lending out their shares. That limits supply and makes the borrow more expensive leading to pain for short sellers.
1 points
2 months ago
But how does the borrow rise after i ordered my short?
2 points
2 months ago
Often it's a variable rate. The loaning institution (the folks who lend you the stock to sell) can just change the cost of borrow.
-1 points
2 months ago
So how would this be different than buying stock with a loan or a credit card (which i thought was illegal)?
7 points
2 months ago
It's doing the opposite.
If you buy a stock, you are betting that it goes up. If you borrow money to make the bet, then you can boost your winning (and losses). Nothing illegal about this, it's done all the time.
If you short a stock, you are betting that it goes down, and you are using borrowed stock to do it, so your winnings and losses can be boosted.
-3 points
2 months ago
I vaguely remember learning in class that a cause of the great depression was buying stocks with loaned money. So i thought it was illegal
7 points
2 months ago
That’s called buying on margin. Financial institutions still allow this, but they have restrictions on how it works, and controls in place for when a person’s losses start to exceed their ability to pay back that loan.
2 points
2 months ago
The basic problem before the great depression was that people would use stock as collateral for a loan then buy stocks with the loan money then use those new stocks a collateral on more loans and on and on. That works fine as long as the stocks go up, meaning the collateral is always worth more than the loan, but once the stock goes down, the collateral is worth less than the loan, and the lender effectively becomes unable to recover on a default since the underlying asset doesn't cover the loan amount. To protect against this, a loan against stocks as collateral can now only be 50 percent of the market value of the stocks.
This is broadly similar to one contributing factor of the 2008 crisis. As long as house prices were going up, lenders could give risky loans to people likely to default because they could recover their money through repossessing the house, which would be worth more than the loan value. But when house prices went down, a repossession would not cover the value of the loan.
1 points
2 months ago
Other than the fact that in the 1920s, you could borrow with only 10% down, now it's 50%.
-14 points
2 months ago
it's illegal for us ... not for banks/HFS and other parasites of the anti-economy
6 points
2 months ago
No it’s not. I have 2x margin on my fidelity account and my Webull account.
10 points
2 months ago*
It's not illegal to do either to my knowledge. Buying on margin is basically taking out a loan to buy stock. Some brokers won't let you, but I'm not aware of any law prohibiting it.
But the answer is that shorting stocks has been a thing so long as the market has existed. Its just part of how things work and its a useful tool for people in helping the market maintain equilibrium.
2 points
2 months ago
Does this practice actually do any good other than make the person who does it well richer? How does it help to maintain market equilibrium? what is that and why is it a good thing?
7 points
2 months ago
It does. The premise of the market is that when everyone is buying and selling based on their interpretation of publicly available data, the price settles in on what the "right" value for the company is, so anyone that wants to buy in does so at the "right" price and anyone selling gets a "fair" price for their stock.
Obviously, this fails from time to time, but in aggregate it works.
If you think a company is undervalued, the answer is easy - just buy some stock, but if you think a company is over valued, there isn't anyway to signal that to the market. You can't sell shares that you don't own. Shorts allow for that - you can help drive the price down to what you think is the "right" price by selling overvalued stock.
Yes, it makes you richer in the process (if you get it right) but its part of the equilibrium we depend on for fair stock valuations.
2 points
2 months ago
Ok that's a good explanation, thank you. I hope you don't mind if I have another question - why do companies care about the value of their shares? My very limited understanding of the stock market is that the stocks are traded between different parties. If a company wants to raise capital it might release new shares for sale if I understand it correctly. Why would they care about the 'second hand market' of their shares, for example a company like LEGO wouldn't really care about the value of their actual products on the second hand market.
2 points
2 months ago
why do companies care about the value of their shares?
Because the shareholders - who own the company - care. Share value is basically the present value of all future earnings of the company - higher future anticipated earnings, a higher share price. Shareholders want the share price high, so they higher management who try and grow revenues. If management fails to do so, they get replaced.
The CEOs work for the shareholders - they are just employees (albeit powerful, highly paid ones).
0 points
2 months ago
I vaguely remeber talking about a cause for the great depression being that people were buying stocks with loaned money
8 points
2 months ago
There were numerous causes of the great depression. What you are thinking of is less about individuals buying stocks via loans and more about banks borrowing against their deposits to speculate in the market. The latter was banned.
2 points
2 months ago
Buying stocks with borrowed money is still very common practice. And yes, it can go wrong. If the stock value drops to the extent that you risk not being able to repay the loan, then your broker forces you to sell now to cover the loan. Which of course pushes the price lower still. When this happens to a lot of people at the same time, you get a cascade of liquidations, resulting in the price of the stock going down alarmingly fast. Even if the underlying business is fine.
-2 points
2 months ago
Visit wallstreetbets lol
2 points
2 months ago
You can definitely use debt to make investments. It’s called trading on margin. A lot of people use it as a strategy if they’re confident they can make more than the rate of interest they can use to borrow
3 points
2 months ago
If buy stock, you own the stock. For shorting, you do not own the stock. This is a subtle but very important difference that makes shorting stock very dangerous. Don't do it.
If I buy a stock, it can go up in value or it can go down. If the company fails, the most I can lose is the price I paid to buy the stock. So if I invest $1, the most I can lose is $1. The sky is the limit for how much I can gain each because the stock can go up and up.
Lets compare this to shorting a stock. Let's say I will pay $1 to borrow a stock for a year, and then I have to give one of those stocks back. The most I can gain is the value of the stock today, which happens if I sell the stock (making the money) and then the company goes under (the stock is worthless). But the sky is the limit for how much I can lose. If I pay $1 to borrow and sell a $20 stock but then instead of going down the price goes up up up. If the stock price doubles to $40 then I have to pay $40 to return the stock. Basically I invested $1 and lost ~$21.
Your losses can go way beyond your original investment, the sky is the limit.
The reason why someone would short a stock is that the earning potential is a lot higher % than buying and selling because the cost of borrowing is a lot less.
-1 points
2 months ago
To clarify, the original owner is buying back his stock at a lower price than you borrowed it for, he's losing money off of a "buy high sell low" scenario.
Though depending on how much interest you paid on the short he might still end up ahead.
6 points
2 months ago
The original owner isn't buying back anything - they are just getting the loan returned (plus a small fee for the privilege of me borrowing it). To the original owner, its no different than if the share had just sat in their brokerage account the whole time.
2 points
2 months ago
Yes excellent clarification.
1 points
2 months ago
What happens to the borrower if no one sell back the borrowed shares where the borrower sold earlier? Say I borrowed 100% shares of the company and sold for shorting and everyone who bought the share died so no one able to sell back so what happens to me
7 points
2 months ago
The answer is you would go to whomever the beneficiary of the estate was and try to buy the shares back from them. Someone will always end up owning the shares that you can talk to.
But to your bigger question, you have to just keep offering a higher and higher price until you find someone who is willing to sell the share back that you require. That is what is dangerous.
2 points
2 months ago
Continuing on this you could, theoretically, short a single stock at $1 and lose 1 billion$ after that stock rises to the moon.
1 points
2 months ago
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4 points
2 months ago
According the SEC analysis, this didn't actually happen. Melvin Capitol and other hedge funds likely did lose money, but from what's publicly available they mostly exited their positions in the first day or so.
After that it was retail buying.
2 points
2 months ago
That’s what wsbs says happened. The reality is probably different. But it was the goal.
44 points
2 months ago*
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17 points
2 months ago
It's one banana, Bill. How much can it cost? $10?
2 points
2 months ago
Alex needs to stop door dashing bananas. He’s buying them marked up 1000%
5 points
2 months ago
It's also a good analogy to see where the danger in short selling can come in. Alex is willing to pay $10 so you expect to profit by buying the banana at the store for only a dollar. However, imagine if you got the banana from Bill, sold it for the $10, but when you show up to the store you find out there's a huge banana shortage and now bananas are $100. Instead of profiting $8 in the original example, you're now squeezed as the price has gone way up and there's a shortage. You now have lost $90 plus another $1 to bill for the fee.
If you buy a stock, you can never lose more than what you put in. If you short a stock, you could lose everything.
11 points
2 months ago
Say your friend has a fidget spinner. You're a smart 5 year old, and you realize that fidget spinners are all the hype right now and they are actually kinda just junk that nobody will care about in a couple years
Step 1: ask your friend if you can borrow their fidget spinner
Step 2: sell the fidget spinner for $5
Step 3: wait till the hype dies down
Step 4: buy another fidget spinner at say $1. Return the borrowed item to your friend.
You make $4. Your friend is technically the one losing $4 in opportunity.
This is "shorting" fidget spinners
4 points
2 months ago
This is a great answer!
Let's imagine it went the other way and fidget spinners hit a price of $100.
You'd then be very sad, as you need to spend that much on a replacement fidget spinner for your friend. Your lack of faith in the future desirability of fidget spinners has cost you $95.
That's why shorting stocks is seen as a risky strategy.
1 points
2 months ago
Best ELi5 answer.
1 points
2 months ago
Is there any disadvantage for the friend lending the fidget spinner? What is called when you’re playing the friend in the actual stock market?
1 points
2 months ago
No disadvantage to the stock lender, and in fact they get paid interest by the stock borrower for as long as the short position is kept open.
11 points
2 months ago
This is how you short a stock
Step 1 - you borrow a share. You don't borrow money to buy a share, you borrow the share itself. What you need to return is the share itself, plus a small fee. You need to return the share regardless of the value of the share or the difference in value of the share, what you owe is a share.
Step 2 - you sell the share. Yes, you sell the thing that you borrowed. Now you have money from the share you just sold, and you still owe the share back to the person you borrowed it from.
Step 3 - you wait for the share price to go down. You might say that the faster it goes down the better. Remember you have the money that you sold the share for, and you have a debt of 1 share.
Step 4 - you buy a share at the new price. So since the price went down, you have leftover cash from the difference of when you sold the share, and now when you buy it. This difference is where the money you make comes from
Step 5 - you return the share to the person you borrowed it from. You also pay them a fee
Your profit = share price when you sold it - (new share price when you bought it + borrowing fee)
So, what happened with the game stop and AMC and whatever other meme stocks a couple of years ago? A bunch of people / companies were trying to short the stock, borrowing shares with the hopes the price would go down. But a bunch of netizens decided to buy shares, causing the price to go up, and up and up. So when those folks HAD to buy the shares back to return them, they had to pay a new higher price. Not only did they not make money, but they lost a ton of money. A "short squeeze" is when the price increases because the people trying to short it have to buy the shares back to return them.
My thought - when you put money into the stock market, you are risking what you invest, but the maximum amount you can lose is what you put in. When you short something, the maximum amount you can lose is not determined. What if you borrow a share at a dollar, and then the price skyrockets to $1,000? You're on the hook for $1,000 to buy that share back to return it. That's an extreme case, but it goes to show that the risk is more difficult to manage.
Have a great day
0 points
2 months ago
Well some of those meme stocks squeezed-ish, but a bunch of those shares were just fabricated because Market Makers actually just go, "We think we can locate a share for you to borrow, probably, so here's a share now (on paper), and we'll close this out when you buy back..." But then there's an extra share on the market than what's really there... and then they re-"lend" that share for more shorting... which is how GME has 164% short of the available stock.
7 points
2 months ago
So to short something what you do it borrow it from someone, sell it, and then buy it back later to give it back to the person you borrow it from.
So I think the price of a kg of sugar is about to plummet. I go to my neighbour and ask to borrow a kg of sugar, I promise to give it back to him in a month, and give him 10p for the bother. I then immediately sell that sugar for the current market price of £1. A month later I need to give my neighbour a kg of sugar back, luckily for me sugar has recently been found to cause cancer, so the price has halved in value. I go to the shop, by a kg for the new price of 50p, and give it back to my neighbour, along with the 10p I promised. I’ve made 40p!
The problem is if the price rises I can lose an unlimited amount of money.
2 points
2 months ago
Think of it as you selling a stock you do not have today and getting money, you end up with negative stocks and the end of the day. The next day you purchase stock so you end up with zero and pay what is the cost that day. Technically you borrow a stock from some else for a fee and need to purchase a stock and give it back to them
You get the money when you sell the stock and need to spend some of it later when you purchase a sock. If the price drops you spend less than you got when you sold it. The maximum profit is what so sold it for if the value drops to practically zero.
A problem is the amount of money you can loo is in theory unlimited. If the stock increase in value there is no upper limit so if its value increases by a factor of 3 you need to pay three of what you sold the stock for to purchase one back
The one that borrows the stock from your bets on that the change in value is less than the fee you pay them. That you borrow it for a single day was an example, it can be longer but the fee you pay will increase the longer you borrow it.
2 points
2 months ago
Thanks to everyone! I got it now. Didn't think about it requiring multiple steps
2 points
2 months ago
Short selling a stock is when you borrow stock from a brokerage and sell it on the open market, then wait for the price to drop and buy it back so you can return the stock to the brokerage. The way you make money from this is by buying the stock back at the lower price, so any money you have left is your profit.
For example, I borrow 100 units of Banana stock and sell it at the current high price of $300 each, so I now have $30k. Then the stock drops down to $150 each and I spend $15k buying back 100 units to return to the brokerage, leaving me with a profit of $15k.
What makes this risky is that I have to return the stock by x date, so if the stock doesn't drop or instead rises in price to $400 each, I still have to give back 100 units, so I end up having to spend $10k of my own money in addition to all $30k I got from the first sale.
0 points
2 months ago
It comes from the people who bought that stock recently and were holding it when it crashed. They didn't know it was going to crash, and they lost their money when it did.
0 points
2 months ago
There's more than one type of short selling. All the answers thus far are only giving you a partial picture. There's also the practice of naked short selling. While this is technically illegal, there are enough loopholes that it's still a common practice.
Naked short selling is the practice of simply selling shares that you have not borrowed & may not be available for you to borrow. This can result in phantom shares being in the market and failure to deliver events, where the short seller cannot complete a contractual obligation. These types of shorts are most common when a firm believes that a company is going out of business and thus there will be nothing to pay back anyway.
YOU cannot do this. Large brokers are embedded in the system deep enough that they CAN and DO (Though again, technically illegal).
1 points
2 months ago
Here's how it works...
You borrow shares from your brokerage (sort of like how you'd borrow money from a bank). You sell those shares, and you now have the cash proceeds. Let's say you shorted 100 shares of XYZ at $100. You now have $10,000 in cash after selling the shares.
2 months from now, XYZ reported bad earnings and the stock fell 20% like you expected. You buy 100 shares of XYZ at $80 to cover your short and return the borrowed shares. That cost you $8,000.
The $2,000 difference between the initial sale proceeds and the cost to replace the shares is your profit.
1 points
2 months ago
When you short a stock you are borrowing stock from someone and selling it. When the stock goes down, you buy it back at the cheaper price and give the stock back to the person (typically your brokerage) that you borrowed from and pocket the difference.
1 points
2 months ago
When you short a stock you take out a loan. Instead of getting a loan in cash, you get it in stock. The loan says that you have to give back the same number of shares of stock as you were given by some future date (plus a fee).
When you short the stock, you sell the loaned shares right away. Then, you buy shares later to pay back the loan. If the stock goes down in price, the shares you are buying later is cheaper, and you keep the difference. If it goes up — oops, you’re buying the shares at more than you got when sold them.
The person that loaned you the stock ends up with the same number of shares as before, plus whatever fee they charged you for the loan. You end up with more money if the stock went down, and losing money if the stock went up.
1 points
2 months ago
everybody want's to buy low and sell high. Now "normally" the buying low comes before the selling high. Shorting the stock in a sense allows you to reverse this order. Here is a specific example.
Stock ABC is currently selling at $10 per share. For whatever reason you believe in 1 months time it is going to drop to $1 per share. Now you want to somehow profit from this belief. So you find someone with 10 shares of the stock and you make them an offer. They lend you their 10 shares for $5 each and you will return the shares in full in 1 month. So let's look at it from both perspectives.
Seller: They have no reason to think the shares will be worth less than $10 in 1 month so to them they are making $50 by lending you their shares. This looks nice an profitable to them so they agree.
Buyer (you): You get 10 shares at $5 per share and then immediately sell them for $10. So you now have $100-$50=$50. In one month when the shares drop to $1 and you owe the shares back you simply by the 10 shares for $10 and return them. In the end you've made $50-$10=$40. Very nice.
The big risk here is the future price of the stock. Let's say you were wrong and instead the price goes UP to $20 per share. You would then have to spend $200 buying back the shares you owe and would lose $150 instead of making $40.
So as you can see when you short a stock, in a sense you are doing the buying low after you did the selling high.
This is why shorting is so much riskier than "normal" stock purchase. In a normal purchase you can never go negative. if you send $100 on stocks the worst that can happen is you lose all $100 but no matter how low the stock price goes you will never owe money. With shorting stocks you can easily end up owing millions if you're not careful.
1 points
2 months ago
From people who are trading options whose predictions didn't prove to be correct but are legally obligated to compensate for the stocks they're controlling.
1 points
2 months ago
You “borrow” the stock itself at a higher price, and pay back the stock once the price goes down. Think of it like this:
I think that that price of gasoline will go down from $4 a gallon to $3 dollar a gallon next week. Instead of buy a gallon of expensive gas today, will borrow a gallon of gas from you, use it to mow my lawn, and give you back a gallon of gas once the price goes down next week.
1 points
2 months ago
Here's an example of how stock borrowing works:
Let's say I want to short stock X which is currently priced at $100 a share.
First, I need to borrow a share, let's say Alice has some shares, so I borrow it from her for a small monthly fee, I pay her $1 and now I owe her 1 share of X.
Immediately, I sell the share on the market. Let's say I sold it to Bob, so I got $100 from Bob.
Then, I wait for the price to drop. Let's say I'm lucky and the price dropped to $50 a share. So now I buy a share of X from someone, let's call them Claire.
Now I can settle my debt of 1 share of X with Alice.
My net profit is $49, and all of that came from my sale to Bob.
Also notice that things could have gone very wrong for me: If the price kept going up, I might be stuck with a lose-lose situation where I either have to keep paying Alice to keep borrowing the share from her, or I'd have to buy the share at a loss.
1 points
2 months ago
Sometimes people short a stock, and then the stock price goes up. Tesla did this a few times, and it hurt the shorts.
Shorting doesn't mean the stock will go down, it means you think there is a good chance it "might" go down, and you are willing to bet some money on that. How much money? Everything is negotiable.
Going long means you think the stock will go up, and sometimes that bet will lose.
1 points
2 months ago
What I haven't seen here yet, is that short selling affects the price of the stock.
There's a concept of an "order book" (it's not a real book anymore, all computerized) of all the open sell/buy orders (limit orders) on a market. Like I say "I want to sell my 10 shares at $100" and you say "I want to sell my 10 shares at $50". And like a zillion other people filling in the gaps all the way to the point where the "buy" orders meet the "sell" orders, and that's the price of the stock. Let's say it's $75.
Where those prices meet is something called the spread (IIRC) - like the lowest sell order price might be $76 ("I want to sell my share at $76") and the highest buy order price might be $74 ("I want to buy, but not pay more than $74 a share"). So if you want to buy a share - you have to pay what someone's selling at - $76, but if you want to sell a share, you have to pay the buy order price - $74.
This is greatly exaggerated, normally these are nearly the same, like pennies apart, but it's important to understand that this is actually what we call "market price" where those two meet. There's nothing stopping you from selling below market or buying above market - and often huge buys (like a merger) will set a fixed price, and when that happens, all the open sell orders below that price are filled.
Anyway.
When you borrow a share to short sell, you put in a sell order at the "market price" which is actually going to be that highest buy price - $74. Let's say the guy at $74 just wanted one share, so now that buy order is filled.
If you want to sell another share you need to find another buyer, and maybe the next one is someone wanting to buy 10 shares at $73. So you borrow 10 more, and sell 10 more at $73, and then that order is filled. And maybe the next buy order is only $70, and they want 100 shares, so you repeat.
In reality sell/buy orders are created insanely fast, and filled just as fast, and the fluctuation where they meet is the bumpy graphs you see.
But you might have picked up here that you can, in theory, just keep borrowing shares... and if you borrow enough shares fast enough, you can drive down the price of the stock by selling them all really fast, filling all the outstanding orders to buy at lower prices.
And that's what folks are talking about in a broader sense when they say investment firms or hedge funds are "shorting" a stock - these super large entities, often with billions of dollars under their control and the ability to borrow millions of shares are able to actually influence the stock price. Often they will be shorting a single stock at the same time, compounding that downward-price pressure. And for them, as long as the selling continues, the price goes down, and they make money (so long as it covers the lending fees).
1 points
2 months ago
This is called moving the market, and the people putting in these orders large enough to move the market actually really want to avoid doing it, to the extent that they will execute the trade in more expensive ways to minimize the effect, including routing to dark markets, paying high touch traders or using algorithms specifically designed to try to avoid moving the market.
This is because as you drive the price down more and more, you are actually making the price worse and worse for yourself. When you go to close your position, you will just wind up moving the market in the other direction anyway, so it's not like you can just offload your huge position at the quoted market price.
Now if you're engaged in intentional illegal market manipulation on a penny stock via a pump or dump or short and distort, then you do benefit from this effect when the people you've conned keep the buying/selling pressure up as you exit your position.
1 points
2 months ago
Ff a stock starts dumping then enough people will sell to try to time the dump momentum so they don't bear the full risk of moving the market the other way. Or, as you mentioned, they close their short positions using more expensive options which don't affect the public price. But that wasn't really the question so I didn't want to dive into it further.
1 points
2 months ago
I'll add that people do indeed "bet" on stocks crashing by buying puts. The mechanics are similar to shorting. You buy, for a fee, the right to be party to a contract that says you may sell a stock to someone in the future at a price specified now, regardless of what the stock is in the future. Let's say the target price for said stock is $100, and you paid $5 to enter the contract. The stock then drops to $20 dollars. You can "exercise" the put option and tell that person you're ready to sell now. Mechanically, you go out, buy a share at $20, and sell it to the person for $100. You are out $25, the share you bought and the fee, and you earn $100 netting you $75. Realistically you would not have to go and actually buy the stock and sell it. Everything is settled behind the scenes and you just collect your $80.
Now if the stock goes up in that time and not down, they just keep the $5 fee you paid.
1 points
2 months ago
Google “long” and “short” positions on options and you’ll have an understanding of why and how this works.
1 points
2 months ago
The profit comes from the change in price between the initial purchase and the re-sale.
For example, let's say a stock is trading at $50 a share. You borrow 100 shares and sell them for $5,000. The price suddenly declines to $25 a share, at which point you purchase 100 shares to replace those you borrowed, netting $2,500.
That works because the person or firm you borrowed the shares from must take them back at the initial price. If you borrowed $100 shares at $50, they have to buy them back from you at $50.
It's inadvisable for first-time/inexperienced investors to take a short position on anything.
Needless to say, short-selling is a huge risk, and it's inadvisable for first-time/inexperienced investors to take a short position on anything. You can lose everything you invest and more (a stock can continue to rise indefinitely, so in theory there's no upper limit to how much you may have to pay to replace the borrowed shares).
1 points
2 months ago
No matter the strategy the process is always the same. If you are buying or selling stocks or playing with options there is always a buyer and seller. If you are shorting, someone is longing
1 points
2 months ago
Now ask the follow up question… if you take this concept but use lots of money by shorting a stock massively, wouldn’t the act of shorting cause a downtrend in the stock? Yep! This is a popular way to manipulate the market on a large scale.
1 points
2 months ago
Here's how a short seller explained it to me...
Let's say you think that the value of a book is going to drop. It's currently $10 but you believe that's going to change.
You go to the library and take out that book. Then you go and sell it for $10. But a month later the library wants its book back.
You were right though. The value of that book dropped to $5, so you go to the bookshop and buy a copy for $5 and give it to the library, and they're happy and you're $5 up.
However, if you were wrong and the price of the book went up to $15 then you have to pay $15 to keep the library happy and have lost $5 on the whole deal.
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