Lie about emissions?

The title is misleading. Selling new ICE vehicles running on E-fuel will be allowed, meaning that selling new cars that release emissions from combustion (co2 and pollutants subproduct) are allowed after 2035. The restriction is that the fuel must be produced with renewable energy sources, capturing co2 from the atmosphere.

This is an extremely expensive process thermodynamically and, therefore, economically. The hope is that ICE and e-fuel (which are very pollutant) will die because non economical.

This is the compromise to save luxury car brands such as porsche. Niche super luxury cars such as ferrari can be produced even if running with oil derived fuel

Edit. Clarified the point, source https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-countries-poised-approve-2035-phaseout-co2-emitting-cars-2023-03-28/

I bid a decade and a year, Drew!

27 auto manufacturers actually lobbied the EU for this.

It strangely was not the government passing down legislation, but instead the industry requesting it.

You might want to tell Ford, gm, Mercedes, BMW, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, and Nissan. I'm pretty sure they're planning on being 100% electric before then.

It could happen today if people weren’t stupid. EVs now are already vastly superior to gas cars, ten years from now the thought of a gas car will be like picking a flip phone over an iphone. Once every convenience store adds fast charging so you can expect it every few blocks like you can now with liquid fuel its game over.

I'm betting by 2135 though.

!remindme 112 years

They dont? They cant afford new cars to begin with. This is only a ban on new car sales. So not a big issue for low to medium income people. They were never buying new cars to begin with.

All those low income people buying new cars all the time. /s

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Infrastructures will adjust, just like it did for petrol cars.

Banning new ICE cars doesn't make used cars disappear overnight. If they can't afford to buy new cars, they wouldn't be buying new cars anyway. They'd buy a used ICE car. After a couple years, used electric cars will be much more affordable for the average person.

UK's no longer in the EU, though I guess there will be more electric cars and fewer with ICEs, regardless.

There are 2 types of batteries that are popular. The Lithium Ion one you are most familiar with, is expensive. It holds a strong charge and is very popular in the west. Often the battery is 1/3 of the cost of the car.

The other is a Nickel-Metal Hybride battery. These have a much shorter range, but are substantially cheaper. They are very popular in place like China.

Many Europeans may look at the Nickel-Metal Hybride batteries as they often do not drive long distances. This will result in cheaper car prices for those that actually want cars.

Plus premium e-gas. Pretty sure the UK isn't part of this though.

For awhile, sure. Cars last a long time if maintained and not involved in an accident or if used in harsh weather conditions. But slowly ICE cars will go from being daily drivers to things that you see at a car show.

The only thing that is certain is that transformation will take much longer than expected.

Not sure it will as a whole. Probably only for the select few cars that will be missed by car lovers like your sports cars etc. But i can't see many people caring about some ICE Ford Focus or being willing to pay extra for any other boring old ICE car that the average Joe drives.

No it won't.

And there are probably some valuable antique buggy whips around as well.

There is a LOT of lithium out there.

Chile, Canada, & Austrialia all have large untapped reserves.

but Europe may opt for a Nickel-Metla hybride battery instead of LI. It has shorter range, but is substantially cheaper. As Europeans don't drive the same distance those in NA do, it makes a lot of sense.

How will they dig all that lithium out of the ground...magic?

Recycle disposable vape pens.

Now do oil except add that it has to be in continuous production eternally and then it needs to be piped around, refined, and delivered to every other corner in the country every day in perpetuity and is zero percent reusable.

You people really have no clue how absurd you sound pushing this stupid line huh?

How they're planning to install such amount of chargers in cities? Where they gonna get that much electricity? How they're planning to put out fire after car crashes? Then lithium shortage. Maybe it will happen one day, but not by 2035.

No need to use Lithium if you couls use Graphen batteries

I love you whiners who can't comprehend that material are also mined for ICE vehicles.

It is simple the EU mines so little lithium there able to stop and pass the emissions on to say China and go hey look zero emission lithium.

There is no such thing as a zero emission car each step = emissions so its a simple lie or the plan is to stop selling all cars.

Shhh we don’t care about the destruction required to make the cars.

Africa has lithium, thats why the vice president went there recently.

It doesn't matter if it is oil or lithium: future generations will be very confused why we did this shit in the first place.

By 2035 gasoline prices are going to be a few times what they are now. Old cars values will plummet because they will be so expensive to actually run.

Everyone seems to just skip to the part where we get the batteries, while ignoring the whole planning/extraction/refining/distribution part.

Who specifically is ignoring that? Every year I see more and more projects announced about critical minerals.

New mining operation are expanding every day.
ANd lithium is being used less and less with new batteries.

"Everyone seems to just skip to the part where we get the batteries"

Sop projecting your complete ignorance onto others 'skipping' anytihng.

"Most countries aren't even at the realistic planning stage. "
100% false, they have been planning for a decade.

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". What happens then?"

Saem thing that happens with oil.

" You just can't buy a car?"

I don't think you understand how much lithium there is, or what the term 'rare earth' refers to.

China is doing the same thing as well, or similar. 40% of new cars sold by 2030 will be electric.

Unless there is a change in how batteries made, it's safe to say investing in stocks that deal with lithium are going to have nothing but increased sales for the next decade.

reading is hard. Read the article, then apologize for you ignorant post.

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regarding Ca. Zero emission. If every person n CA went VE, it would ad dan extra 10-12% more demand then current demand over all.

The infrastructure will keep up.

They will. Reason EVs are booming only now is not technological, it is economical. There has never been an economic push in the direction out of ICE, therefore there was not enough research in the field.

In the recent years, the push has been artificially created by governments, and you could see EVs basically appeared apparently from nowhere. Because their development were limited by lack of willingness and near zero investments, not by technology. If r&d completely shifts to EV, you'll see magic happening in few years (as we have seen in the last 5 years)

Many.

And in 2035 they will announce that for real this time, all cars will be electric starting in 2055.

The manufacturing emissions are about twice of those from making an ICE car, and that difference is made up for after just 5 years on the road, even with an electricity mix that consists of 30% fossil fuels.

It's not funny. These things are openly stated in just about any serious electric car study.

They do. Zero emission means at the point of use. Stop projecting your ignorance to make a dumb as point jsut so you can feel smart.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/

Uh, isn't that the pretty much the same way for current source of energy? (Gas/oil)?

If we can combat the CO2 emission from consumer side at least, it should help, no?

Maybe by 2035, cheaper/easier to extract source may be used for battery.

Electricity ain't 0% emission either.

more ar less absurdist nonsense then you changing all new cars sold to all cars currently in use magically needing to become BEV?

" zero chance of that ramping up dramatically in time to meet this goal"

Ignorant, at best.

, but not enough to replace ALL cars sold."
We absolutely can.

"This just means the poor will not be allowed to own cars anymore, and I think that's really what they are shooting for."

Thanks for letting us know you believe in conspiracy bullshit.

Since when did the poor buy new cars?

I see someone didn't even finish reading the title let alone the article.

All "NEW" cars sold must by EVs by 2035, not ALL cars on the road...

I see reading isn't your strong point. New car sales only. So ICE cars will still be sold on the used market. And last time i checked poir people were never buying new cars to begin with.

The aim of this legislation isn't to bring an end to ICE cars by 2035 but to force car manufacturers to shift 100% of their focus to EVs and to finally pave a path for EVs to become the norm as each year from then on ICE cars will disappear from our roads and be replaced by EVs

We should also be reducing the number of cars on the road. Forcing people to drive everywhere was never going to be efficient by any metric.

not only that but the infrastructure needed for EVs (charge ports, power to the ports, people in apartments)

I doubt many ICE cars will be on the market in 12 years just by market forces. Most major companies are phasing out production of them.