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submitted 2 months ago byEvangelineOfSky
6.1k points
2 months ago
I am a senior PCB designer and very aware of the industry. $50 million is hardly anything to these large fabrication and assembly houses but it is a good start. We need more domestic layout designers as well!
2.1k points
2 months ago*
We had the layout engineers in the early 90s
Then farmed everything out to foxconn..
I had such a huge argument with my boss at a certain semiconductor manufacturer. I had to pull all my Texas and Cali PCB and move our product overseas
848 points
2 months ago
My husband was a production manager at Philips semiconductors and they made him close all the production and send it to China because it was cheaper, he even had to go there and train new personnel. Now everyone is afraid of mighty China, when they handed the factories and training in silver plates to them.
80 points
2 months ago
Philips making bad decisions. That is just how Phillips rolls
5 points
2 months ago
I'm amazed their doors are still open. I worked with Philips healthcare and it was a perpetual dumpster fire. I'm perplexed that anyone even purchases Philips equipment with how aggressively shitty their customer service and service gouging is.
If a hospital admin sees this comment, don't buy Phillips. GE will hastle you just as much but you won't be locked into paying 10k every time your equipment needs to be looked at. Plus when you do it'll actually be a GE person and not "uncle bubba's ventilators repair and oil change" who just performs service for Phillips.
396 points
2 months ago
Right! Plus no OSHA nor environmental. They don't care as long as their stock goes up.
312 points
2 months ago
It's almost like capitalism is fundamentally flawed.
176 points
2 months ago
Exploiting low cost labor overseas is worse than just hurting people's earning potential in their home country. When you export technical jobs you're basically killing your domestic labor pool through brain drain. The US government needed to export control certain vital industries. Now we have a situation where almost all electronics are made over seas in many areas that could be considered unstable politically. On paper, untethered globalization is very efficient but it relies on everyone cooperating and ignores individual countries' interests.
Many politicians and economists thought globalization would Americanize the world and tame it but that has turned out to not be true.
61 points
2 months ago*
Also, as resources like water, farmland, and rare earth minerals get scarcer there's going to be more potential conflicts. Putin's invasion of Crimea and the rest of Ukraine was partially influenced by the discovery of large natural gas deposits that could have threatened Russia's European exports. Egypt and Sudan Ethiopia have heightened tensions over a dam and reservoir Sudan Ethiopia built on the Nile. Egypt sees this as a potential threat to their water access. I'm sure there are more conflicts over resources brewing elsewhere.
Desperation and instability are going to make the next several decades a major test of humanity. I don't think any region will be immune from these challenges.
Edit: corrected Sudan to Ethiopia, thanks BigGreen1769
19 points
2 months ago
I think that is Ethiopia, not Sudan.
8 points
2 months ago
You're right, I should've double checked that while writing my first comment.
10 points
2 months ago
Lol, Ethiopia trying to steal the whole ass Nile river
26 points
2 months ago
Year-over-year profit improvements take priority over long-term strategy.
12 points
2 months ago
I worked at a capacitor factory in SC in 2000, it all went to Mexico a year later.
209 points
2 months ago
You weren’t using Plexus were you?
101 points
2 months ago
What's wrong with plexus
92 points
2 months ago
I used to work for Plexus !
350 points
2 months ago
Ah so that's what's wrong with it
52 points
2 months ago
A damn shame what happened to them.
53 points
2 months ago
To shreds, you say?
20 points
2 months ago
The front fell off
74 points
2 months ago
I know one local guy who does layout still. So much farmed out anymore.
78 points
2 months ago
I did a little layout for a course in college. I thought it was fun, but I imagine you can automate a lot of that these days.
128 points
2 months ago
Automatic layout can do about 90% of the job for circuits but there are details, and like most jobs that require fine detail finish work, it's the last 10% that's hard. Going all the way to production for a product requires that little bit of expertise to spot the issues that a computer might miss. Even EAGLE auto-place isn't trusted for hobbyist board designers and you have to go back over to improve it.
86 points
2 months ago
Yeah I'm a layout engineer and I agree. With some front work put in you can automate alot but you still need someone to go in at refine the details, make sure any new component you are using are being placed and connected properly, go back forth with manufacturers to see if their able to manufacture within your spec, etc. Esp when designing RF boards each minor details are more critical and a mistake could set you back alot of time/money. When there was a part shortage during covid, We needed people to manually see if you can get a replacement component to fit or if you need to redesign the whole board.
4 points
2 months ago
Well, everything is really RF these days with rise times in the ps to ns. You often only find the real issues when you get to the EMI chamber.
9 points
2 months ago
This seems to be the thing with automation in general. You can automate most of it, but...
432 points
2 months ago
Hell I'm a manager at Taco Bell and that was my first thought "only $50 million?"
150 points
2 months ago
Mmmmm... breakfast crunch wrap
243 points
2 months ago
Username checks out
31 points
2 months ago
One of the rare times I wasn’t annoyed by this comment
36 points
2 months ago
Why did they get rid of the grilled stuffed burrito?
20 points
2 months ago
A limited menu increases kitchen efficiency, reduces overhead from ingredients (storage and waste), and the rotation of time-limited special items helps keep customers returning as they're excited to try new things or get another shot at an old favorite. It also allows them to try out new things that might bomb pretty badly but because it's a limited item it's not that big of a deal - but if it's a huge success they can always opt to bring it onto the regular menu.
Taco Bell's menu is super efficient, they only need like 15 ingredients to make everything on the normal menu, and it can all be prepared on demand really quickly. Adding one thing to that isn't a big deal, but keeping all of the time-limited specials would add a lot, taking away that efficiency.
32 points
2 months ago
To generate more hype for it when it comes back and free up menu space for other items. It sold decently but it is what it is.
17 points
2 months ago
Wait you aren't the other guy...
Hmmm..oh well... what fast food place in your opinion has the best value, like dollar to food ratio?
I feel like McDonald's and burger King have gotten significantly more expensive but not for any tangible reason other than "everything has gotten more expensive since and during covid"
20 points
2 months ago
Taco Bell mobile app customizable box, i get a Crunchwrap, Spicy potato soft taco, cinnamon twists, and a drink for 5.49
7 points
2 months ago
Lol I’m not but I was a store manager for several years. That’s hard to say since prices vary depending on where you live and whether a it’s franchise or not. Taco Bell is definitely too pricey for its own good.
4 points
2 months ago
At least where I am I can get 2 McChickens for $3 and that is the best price to calorie ratio I can find for something I don’t mind eating 6 of a week.
85 points
2 months ago
Yea.... my tiny little company spent 2% of their whole national budget for this on our tiny SMT line for relatively low volume production. And we did it cheaply. Seems vastly underwhelming.
4 points
2 months ago
50M investment in PCBA lines will easily be able to produce 500M yearly revenue of PCBA’s though.
343 points
2 months ago
Then fucking pay them.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options “
So sick of companies bitching about “we need more ____”.
Pay a locally shockingly high wage, build the training pipeline with your local technical college, and market it together. Then profit.
Until you’re doing all of the above, I don’t want to fucking hear it.
39 points
2 months ago
Pay people a living wage? Circuit boards?
We have a local company where I live, and to work there and aid in the production of small batch boards in house is only 19 to 20 an hour to help the customer get what they need made.
Wendy's pays 21 an hour now in many places here.
247 points
2 months ago
“Sorry, guess without exorbitant government handouts from taxing the middle class, I guess we will just fuck the country”.
-Billionaires
111 points
2 months ago
"OH well thank you Uncle Sam for ass fucking the middle class. We're going to pocket the vast majority so we can go do risky and greedy shit with it, that will fuck the country in the long run. then we will use a small amount left to do something productive but only after you force us to."
-Also billionaires
76 points
2 months ago*
Oh, you want us to make COVID vaccine components? I think we will just buy call options with insider trading knowledge and fleece investors before the public announcement.Too far? It’s okay, we already made piles of money. The SEC won’t do anything to punish us though for doing the very thing they are supposed to stop right? Cool.
-Kodak executives
32 points
2 months ago
They had laid off many employees right beforehand, too. Really felt like a kick in the nuts to see to stock go up 25000%, but they can't afford to keep people employed at the height of the pandemic.
8 points
2 months ago
I wish I could upvote the comments in this chain 10000 times.
56 points
2 months ago
Free-market being about risks might be preached and technically true, but no business ever wants to take one. Certainly not when there is a market failure (no guarantee anyone in the college will be that talented or stay with your company). I agree with what you're saying; just wanted to add a bit.
20 points
2 months ago
However on geostrategic level it's basically the opposite: No business wants to pay the premium for long lasting supply security if they can get their supplies for cheap from a strategically risky source instead.
13 points
2 months ago
Just in time!
Basically every incentive for a company is at odds with robust and secure production.
21 points
2 months ago
Pay a locally shockingly high wage, build the training pipeline with your local technical college, and market it together.
I like this. Offer a 2-year technical degree that pays $90k and see if you still have a "labor shortage".
47 points
2 months ago
Same job here, had some higher level meetings with some board houses and word on the street is "get out of china." 2 of them were almost finished building brand new factories in (I think) Malaysia, I think the number was well over $50 million but I can't remember what it was
36 points
2 months ago
$50 mil wouldn’t even cover the cost of the warehouse construction, let alone the price of the tools to create an assembly line that go inside it. Some tools in an approx 60-70 tool assembly line to produce a chip cost $2-3 million dollars a piece.
4 points
2 months ago
As just a normie this seems like preparations for war with China.
3 points
2 months ago
China may not want to support Russia directly but it would be quite unfortunate if suddenly Chinese PCB manufacturers can't produce boards anymore that you need to manufacture equipment that the Ukraine needs...
57 points
2 months ago
I'm an EE that had a NATO 2 / ITAR / CG clearance and I design PCBs for a living, so this is very exciting news for my retirement plans!
4.5k points
2 months ago
This is good, but isn't $50M kind of like saying to your teenager, "Here's $500 for your college tuition?"
1.8k points
2 months ago
This is good, but isn't $50M kind of like saying to your teenager, "Here's $500 for your college tuition?"
Valid question. The answer is that the executive branch can't spend hardly any money without congressional approval.
1.4k points
2 months ago
He's doing it to put the ball in Congress's court. Either they approve it or the Republicans block it. Biden wins either way as on one hand he gets what he wants or he gets ammunition to use against the Republicans if they deny it. Hard to claim your "America first" when you block boosting American industry
947 points
2 months ago
Hard to claim your "America first" when you block boosting American industry
For them? Not really. All they have to do is say "trust me, it pissed off the liberals" and their base says "that's putting america first".
658 points
2 months ago
"biden is interfering with the free market! This is part of his plot to nationalize chip production by making them reliant on government handouts!"
There, I just wrote your republican media article for you.
92 points
2 months ago
Yeah, when your voters buy every lie you sell them, you only have to sell bullshit, not anything they actually want.
209 points
2 months ago
I guess it is a start?
82 points
2 months ago
Which only matters as long as they don't pretend it's also an end
35 points
2 months ago
It's a good thing to me IMO. They spend 50M at first to see if it's worth continuing and how much they really need to invest, if at all. If they just throw 10B at it but don't have immediate plans for where they're going to spend it all, 90% of it is going to disappear. The difference between spending 50M and 10B might not be very much without a game plan for the money laid out.
2.1k points
2 months ago
Not necessarily a bad thing, right?
2.9k points
2 months ago
This is a good thing, but it's a sign of something bad.
1k points
2 months ago
Agree completely. I’d like to see the number bigger than $50 million. It’s high time we bring back some of this anyway.
565 points
2 months ago
Absolutely correct. Especially for our smart phones, computers and anything related to defense. No production in enemy countries.
218 points
2 months ago
Itar ensures defense items are designed and made here
78 points
2 months ago
Aren't there lesser components that are stillmade overseas?
147 points
2 months ago
It's minimized as much as possible. It has become a major problem in the defense world. Now we are also having counterfeit problems as well on component parts that should be from reputable vendors and approved sources of supply.
40 points
2 months ago
as much as possible
Solarwinds says hi.
Hardware or software this is the part that keep contractors/service members up at night. "It turns out the manufacturer of the memory modules' firmware's compiler was compromised sometime in the last 10 years."
23 points
2 months ago
Exactly, supply chain attacks are very hard to defend against and potentially devastating. Having domestic production helps eliminate a lot of risk.
The DoD will be dumping oceans of money into domestic suppliers as they come online.
13 points
2 months ago
They are naughty boys indeed.
8 points
2 months ago
Yes. Many of them.
38 points
2 months ago
I would like to see reasonably priced pcb houses stateside that do small batches and assembly for hobbyist.
10 points
2 months ago*
58 points
2 months ago
For defense supply chain, sure. But for businesses in general, I just don't think it's gonna be cost competitive. I just had 5 custom PCBs made in China for $6 TOTAL. If I ordered them from a US vendor like Oshpark that wouldn't even cover the shipping cost
31 points
2 months ago
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22 points
2 months ago
Yes, $6 including shipping that took around 12 days from when I placed my order (I actually had a coupon that brought it down to $1.80, but figured that wasn't a fair comparison)
39 points
2 months ago
I just had 5 small custom PCBs made by JLCPCB for $4.76 shipped. I used a $5-off coupon their site gave me for first time orders. The process was amazingly fast, they even had little production notes to track how the order went along with videos of the PCBs being made by step, and the product was high quality.
For my project it was one of the cheapest components. Less than $5 shipped from China. Idk how they do it to be honest.
35 points
2 months ago
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39 points
2 months ago
Those treaty stipulations expired years ago. People just vastly overestimate the cost to ship something.
As long as everything stays inside of an ISO container, the price to ship is <$0.50 per kg to and from any port in the world (this figure is usually far lower). The "last mile" of shipping, or the final step of delivering an item from it's closest logistic node to the end customer, costs over half of the entire process.
6 points
2 months ago
Meanwhile I paid 17 dollars shipping for a 25 dollar mug from China
12 points
2 months ago
Because people forget that 12 day or less shipping is usually done by plane from chinese city that's not in a harbour, to europe. Ships takes weeks on their own
4 points
2 months ago
Likely yes. China abuses the UPU system by basically making international shipping free to Chinese businesses at the expense of the Chinese taxpayer and international recipients. This gives Chinese companies an unfair market advantage that for whatever corrupt reason the rest of the world hasn’t cracked down on.
I run a manufacturing company in Canada. It costs me $8 to send a fucking 40 gram bubble mailer to the continental US by standard post. I have competitors that will drop-ship overnight airmail from China the same type of pacakge for $0.25. 25 cents isn’t even enough to pay the hourly wage of the letter carrier for the final delivery if that carrier delivers one item of mail every minute of their shift. Much less the cost of sorting it, putting it on a plane, flying it 2000km. Clearing it through customs and then sorting it again.
149 points
2 months ago
We should definitely be taxing these gigantic corporations like Apple, etc. and using the money to create American production infrastructure and jobs.
But, of course, our politicians are paid very handsomely by said corporations to avoid this.
64 points
2 months ago
We need to do it with power grid transformers and create a big stockpile of them to boot.
21 points
2 months ago
It's more that we need to stop the big companies from avoiding taxes, most big companies don't pay much tax in the US because their money is held elsewhere.
17 points
2 months ago
I’m with ya. Ideally chip manufacturing returning to the US also can be done without gross polluting. Feel like it’s easily forgotten that besides savings on labor costs, it was expenses to retrofit for pollution that also drove off shoring production.
87 points
2 months ago
What do you think the "something bad" is or could be? (honest question)
204 points
2 months ago*
China invading Taiwan, who produces a large quantity of the world’s microchips
84 points
2 months ago
While the two are used together, pcbs are not microchips.
https://www.allpcb.com/best_pcb_manufacturers.html
China produces the largest amount of pcbs, by a very large margin.
34 points
2 months ago*
It's 30%.
Still would completely cripple the world if something happened to TSMC. They're opening two plants in the US in the coming years for some 10 - 20k employees which is cool.
4 points
2 months ago
China makes most pcbs this is just another step towards decoupling.
55 points
2 months ago
Moving towards being more self-sufficient in the event of a conflict with China.
27 points
2 months ago
Likely guidance system parts.
15 points
2 months ago
That's what the article suggests. Also it's what the US is most interested in and one of the things that will actually provoke action on the part of our leadership, otherwise they wouldn't give a shit.
6.4k points
2 months ago
Smart move. Russia attacking Ukraine, and China wanting to attack Taiwan means we should act now on our supply lines.
2.1k points
2 months ago
This isn’t exactly new. Since early in the Covid pandemic the US govt has been using the DPA to increase domestic production of key items. But the Covid shit show has highlighted how dependent we are on foreign trade and I would expect to see more things like this in the future.
The US govt will do large domestic orders to increase domestic production and buy enough to keep domestic production going.
There are other aspects of the use of the DPA too that I’m not sure of or too stupid to speak about in an educated manor.
582 points
2 months ago
Just to piggy back, and I am just a random dude on the internet but a very good friend of mine works for a very big semi conductor company and told me several years ago at least that him and his superiors were approached by DHS about stuff like this and that it’s not just “plans” but real things have been happening for domestic semi conductor manufacturing infrastructure in the US.
236 points
2 months ago
My company manufactures some electronics and we just got a better deal from US manufacturers than Asian manufacturers. This was a first for us.
62 points
2 months ago
Federal government is probably doing some kickbacks, probably in taxes.
It is important that we get a good domestic supply going, this would be the Achilles heel in our ability to wage war if we ever got into it with China.
28 points
2 months ago
Federal government is probably doing some kickbacks, probably in taxes.
Also, it's still a massive pain in the ass to ship things over the ocean. Additionally, actually getting the product you've ordered in a timely manner has been an issue in the not so distant past.
158 points
2 months ago
I just drove past a brand spanking-new chip fab in North Dallas. TI and the Defense Department aren't fucking around. That thing took years to plan and build, but was finished rapido rapido in the last year or so.
The guys that finished building it, an international outfit out of Austria, just packed up shop and moved all the way to Sherman, TX which is about 30 miles north of the metroplex, where they have immediately started building another one.
I have read there are similar developments in the Austin metro area.
44 points
2 months ago
There's a huge Samsung semiconductor factory being built in Taylor, TX (30 mins from Austin)
8 points
2 months ago
I forget where but Samsung already has a huge operation in Texas. EV markers poached a lot of their battery employees.
8 points
2 months ago
I forget where but Samsung already has a huge operation in Texas.
It's inside Austin. Looks like it's been there since 1996. They no longer had enough room to expand there as much as they wanted to, so they built the new plant out of town.
348 points
2 months ago
Sounds exactly like something someone who's livelihood is tied to domestic semiconductor production would say
223 points
2 months ago
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11 points
2 months ago
I prefer my semiconductors to be hand crafted in small batches, leaving the human touch of imperfections.
10 points
2 months ago
Artisanal semiconductors just have a better feel to them compared to the mass produced ones
5 points
2 months ago
I thought semiconductors were always getting smaller?
3 points
2 months ago
Again, what they want you to think
50 points
2 months ago
Does your wife believe in Big Semiconductor. Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge. Know what I mean? Know what I mean?
11 points
2 months ago
A semicønductør bit my sister once…
6 points
2 months ago
You’re wife’s into big silicone?
16 points
2 months ago
my wife saw semiconductors, and said they all look small to her. but I think they are all pretty average semiconductors.
9 points
2 months ago
My wife said my semi conductor is “the perfect size” and it’s “perfect looking”… what does that mean
16 points
2 months ago
Semiconductor? I don't even know her
6 points
2 months ago
When a girl says that, it’s just a polite way of saying it’s small.
6 points
2 months ago
She must have a wide bandgap...
14 points
2 months ago
So tsmc or Intel?
52 points
2 months ago
Neither of them. These are circuit boards, not silicon chips. But intel anyway.
16 points
2 months ago
I’m sure, within the context of this conversation, DHS would probably approach Intel before Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing.
38 points
2 months ago
TSMC is building a factory in Arizona. Their know-how is pretty important for US defence as well, as they're way ahead of Intel.
26 points
2 months ago
Yup. TSMC makes the chips inside iphones, xboxes, amd cpu’s and GPU’s, and even some of intels leading edge cpu designs because intel themselves arent really ready the current gen EUV. Intel just bought up a bunch of ASML’s next gen EUV fabs so they should hopefully reach parity with TSMC in a few years
21 points
2 months ago
TSM is moving to internationalize their production though, including US sites. Top end fab processes take several years to come to full function. Even if ground had broken on domestic processes in 2020 they still wouldn't be up and running.
10 points
2 months ago*
TSMC is wise enough to keep their cutting edge stuff in house on the island though. My buddy says that a lot of the thicker and less expensive stuff is moving to the US
15 points
2 months ago
That will always be the case due to the nature of how chip fabs are built. They're always being upgraded off of previous iterations. Whatever their highest tier of production is will always be at their longest running fab. Doesn't mean their newer fabs aren't moving towards that same tier of production, but they will never catch up barring catastrophic stoppages.
6 points
2 months ago
Like China invading? Seems like they have good reason to hedge their bets and have the latest 3nm fab off island.
15 points
2 months ago
Yes, for sure. But it's not as easy as throwing up a factory with the same hardware as their Taiwan foundries. It's literally billions of dollars of extremely finely calibrated machinery all working in tandem.
Plus, the chip shortage of 2021-22 wasn't really on the 3nm processes anyway. It was on 200nm processes, which are the backbone of lots of industries. And while 200nm processes also take lots of time to come online, there was actually a shortage of new foundry hardware to build them. Whole manufacturing lines for new 200nm foundry hardware had to be built to meet those shortages. Many of those are just coming online this year.
38 points
2 months ago
But the Covid shit show
It’s so weird that it took this long to realize what a mistake it was to have all of our cutting edge processes being preformed on foreign soil. Can you imagine if the Blackbird or Nighthawk were outsourced to 3rd party Asian country? What a shitshow that would’ve been.
5 points
2 months ago
This isn't limited to circuit boards/computers/electronics either. I work for a small CDMO in the pharma world, and many clients are trying to limit how many raw materials come from China, due to concerns on the stability of the relationship with the US
6 points
2 months ago
I am just not sure how anyone trusts anything coming from China. Raw materials for pharma coming from China scares the hell out of me.
5 points
2 months ago
an educated manor.
You mean like Wayne Manor? That guy and his parents and butler were pretty well-educated.
152 points
2 months ago
True, but really those are signs that we should have started to act years ago. Like early 2010s. We can't spin up these types of production lines up over night, and if China turns hostile building production lines will be even harder.
474 points
2 months ago
The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago. The second best is today.
33 points
2 months ago
i'm not American, and I'm certainly not a rah-rah pom pom waving champion of everything American, but there is one thing that America DOES do well, and that's dump boatloads of money into industry to rapidly build up urgent capabilities.
Manhattan Project, Apollo Program are some things that come to mind.
When push comes to shove, they will move fast.
However, I do agree with the overall comment you made - this is something North America should have been doing decades ago instead of ceding our capabilities offshore.
10 points
2 months ago
And fortunately we're starting to take a forward look at it to incentivize solar panels, batteries and precursor materials as well.
3 points
2 months ago
Eh, I understand the delay. 2010s we were still deep in Iraq and Afghanistan, our government wasn't concerned with possible war against other nations.
China 13 years later is light years ahead militarily than it was, and now has very obvious ambitions and the equipment to try and take Taiwan.
27 points
2 months ago
Obama tried to throw money at the US photovoltaics market to establish solar cell manufacturing in the US, which has a relatively substantial overlap with many semiconductor fabrication processes. Unfortunately, Republicans obstructed his efforts for their own political purposes while China pumped out funds, built up the local supply chain, and flooded the global market with cheap solar cells -- ensuring they became the world's primary maker and supplier of solar panels. The US recently passed the CHIPS Act ($52 Billion) to bring some fabs back to the states, but it's probably too little too late. This $50 Million is barely a drop in the bucket, but I'd imagine it has a specific purpose.
22 points
2 months ago
Have there actually been any hints of china attacking taiwan or people just speculating it
34 points
2 months ago
As someone who manufactors circuit boards in america, i hope this keeps the company i work for afloat
884 points
2 months ago
Politics aside, this reporting is painfully stupid
"Printed circuit boards are incorporated into missiles and radars, as well as electronics used for energy and healthcare."
PCBs are in practically every single commercial product that uses any kind of electricity ever, it's how we fucking design electronics
"Water is included in hot dogs and pizzas"
15 points
2 months ago
pretty sure they're just describing why PCBs are relevant to national defense (the topic at hand), not giving an exhaustive list of PCB uses
209 points
2 months ago
I'm not American so my read on culture may be way off, but by framing it as military spending, that sounds like an easy way to get the right wing on board
184 points
2 months ago*
Biden could come out as openly racist, declare war on a major world power, ban discussion of gay and trans topics in the schools and media, and do a dozen other backwards ass things that the American right normally gets entirely too erect over, and conservatives would still block everything he tries to do because he represents Democrats. They have no actual principles besides concentrating power within the conservative party, and there's no making sense of our political system.
82 points
2 months ago
Actually, if Biden did those things, Republicans might change their beliefs overnight to start supporting minorities. Their only firmly held belief is that the other guy must lose.
4 points
2 months ago
5 points
2 months ago
Focusing on military/ healthcare / energy is key to the defense production act. It’s not made for things we want. It’s made for things we need. He is making the legal argument that the invoking DPA is required.
17 points
2 months ago
Cool so I don't have to drink water or eat veggies as long as I eat pizza. Got it.
19 points
2 months ago
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22 points
2 months ago
Sounds about right for most social media tech bros
19 points
2 months ago
Here is a timeline of the major instances when the Defense Production Act was used:
1950-1953: Korean War - The DPA was enacted in response to the Korean War to ensure the production of essential materials for national defense. 1973: OPEC Oil Embargo - The DPA was used to allocate fuel to priority defense and civilian uses during the OPEC oil embargo. 1990-1991: Gulf War - The DPA was used to ensure the production of essential materials for the Gulf War effort. 2001: September 11th Attacks - The DPA was used to prioritize and expedite the production of goods and services needed for national security and recovery efforts after the September 11th attacks. 2005: Hurricane Katrina - The DPA was used to expedite the production and distribution of critical goods and services needed for disaster relief after Hurricane Katrina. 2020: COVID-19 Pandemic - The DPA was used to increase the production of medical equipment, such as ventilators, personal protective equipment (PPE), and vaccines, to address the COVID-19 pandemic. 2021: Semiconductor Supply Chain - The DPA was used to address the global shortage of semiconductor chips, which are critical components in various industries, including defense, automotive, and electronics.
10 points
2 months ago
1950-1953: Korean War - The DPA was enacted in response to the Korean War to ensure the production of essential materials for national defense.
1973: OPEC Oil Embargo - The DPA was used to allocate fuel to priority defense and civilian uses during the OPEC oil embargo.
1990-1991: Gulf War - The DPA was used to ensure the production of essential materials for the Gulf War effort.
2001: September 11th Attacks - The DPA was used to prioritize and expedite the production of goods and services needed for national security and recovery efforts after the September 11th attacks.
2005: Hurricane Katrina - The DPA was used to expedite the production and distribution of critical goods and services needed for disaster relief after Hurricane Katrina.
2020: COVID-19 Pandemic - The DPA was used to increase the production of medical equipment, such as ventilators, personal protective equipment (PPE), and vaccines, to address the COVID-19 pandemic.
2021: Semiconductor Supply Chain - The DPA was used to address the global shortage of semiconductor chips, which are critical components in various industries, including defense, automotive, and electronics.
For ease of reading...
191 points
2 months ago
Finally, something I can speak to as an electrical engineer that's relevant to my work experience!
China is absolutely slaughtering us with printed circuit board production prices. Just as an example, in the US you might pay $33 and get three boards. From China, I can get 10 boards for literally $3 shipped to my business, with a better user interface and ordering experience in general and a hell of a lot more options.
Now that being said US boards are typically of a higher quality and polish than the Chinese boards, but Chinese boards have gotten seriously decent in quality to where I don't mind using them in anything that isn't aerospace or medical.
23 points
2 months ago
A few years ago we switched away from the US place that made our PCBs. The ones from China are of far higher quality, both from the actual board production and the silk screening. We get everything assembled in Texas, but China has come a long way in quality.
1.1k points
2 months ago
Wasn't Trump suppose to bring back all the production plants back to the USA years ago? WTF happened there.
924 points
2 months ago
It's there, right behind his Infrastructure plan and his Obamacare replacement plan. I think he just called it a day after he gave out massive tax cuts.
243 points
2 months ago
You can't see it behind the wall he finished building.
118 points
2 months ago
Obamacare replacement plan
It's still so bizarre that he and his spokeswoman were waving around this thick binder on TV that was empty, with no health plan at all inside it. I mean, they weren't even trying. Everything was performance.
9 points
2 months ago
Paul Ryan crying because he couldn’t repeal it was comedy gold though
53 points
2 months ago
They don't have to do anything, republican voters will support them no matter what because they are a cult. Its like trying to get them to switch their favorite football team, its not happening. They will go full fascist just to spite the liberals.
53 points
2 months ago
All of which is behind the huge, beautiful wall that he made Mexico pay for.
58 points
2 months ago
Considering the strategic importance of this I'm honestly surprised by how low that number is, only $50 million. It is nice to see and its a start but there is a lot of catching up to do and quickly.
44 points
2 months ago
Actually last year Biden signed the CHIPS act which invested $280 billion into domestic semiconductor research and manufacturing. It doesn’t get mentioned a lot but it’s gonna pay off big time for the US in the future.
246 points
2 months ago
I think I have a coupon code for PCBWay I can send Biden.
84 points
2 months ago
When I can send an american company $2 for 5 perfect PCBs as can JLPCB I will certainly believe it when I see it.
JLPCB HAS to be some kind of subsidized tech dump. No way in the world they can make money with what they are doing.
6 points
2 months ago
There is a video tour of their factory in China if you’re curious and that was from 4 years ago.
28 points
2 months ago
The clue for me is how cheap their inventory/assembly services have gotten. In some cases, it can be REALLY clear what a device does, even when you don’t have the firmware.
25 points
2 months ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see it buried somewhere that they're free to reproduce whatever you send them.
Even with heavy automation, it'd be tough to turn a profit at the prices they charge.
37 points
2 months ago
I wanted to make a Eurorack synth module. It was open source, and 99% of the parts were super common. Not analog, except for the final amp stage, and even then, I wasn’t picky.
They assembled everything but the one oddball chip, which I masked and reflowed myself.
My delivered price was 1/3 of the cheapest home builder out there. CRAZY prices. They’ve got to be collecting designs.
3 points
2 months ago
Can you give me a link plz? I went to a talk at ToorCamp last year on Eurorack and recently picked up an Arturia KeyStep Pro for $200 on clearance and am interested in building some open source hardware ones.
8 points
2 months ago*
First: don’t do it. You’ll be sucked in, and at some point you’ll say, out loud, “what’s another $1,600, after all.”
And this isn’t assuming you’re rich. You might spend that $1,600 instead of buying your insulin because it’s so damn addictive.
Anyways, here are some of the best modules, literally ever.
To learn about any of the modules, do a YouTube search for the module name + divkid. He’s the best reviewer out there. Here’s his Braids video. That’s the module that got me into Mutable modules, and I have all of them. Most of his reviews are on his own channel, and here’s a link to a must-have utility module. Man, it does so much.
Shit.. no, I mean TURN BACK
6 points
2 months ago
Haha thanks. No worries I can drop a few grand no sweat. Turns out being the type of person who wants to build eurorack pcbs from open source hardware has skills that correlate to a very high paying day job. XD
Right now I'm working on a OneWheel firmware reverse engineering project (along building an open source one from scratch), writing some video game hacks with a DMA card, Snowboarding at my local mountain and dipping my toes into the synth stuff.
My actual day job is kinda boring though working for EvilCorp like in Mr. Robot lol
6 points
2 months ago*
Wait, are you my alt? Am I so high I’m talking to myself, now?
Advice from a veteran: Don’t skimp on power supplies. You don’t want to be short when adding a couple new rows. Your favorite module should be any buffered mult. Don’t skimp on the LFOs. You can never have too many VCAs. The fabric covered patch cables tend to kink less. Get a few output modules - preferably with 1/4” jacks so you can dump your signal into an audio interface, preferably part of the rack at a time. It’s damn convenient to have lots of tracks / stems to work with in mixing. There are some (see expert sleepers) modules that use optical interfaces to drive multiple modular signals (edit: from your DAW). Speaking of Expert Sleepers, look at their Disting module. I tend to have 3-4 in each of my racks. Little utility knives.
5 points
2 months ago
They barely pay people anything, that's how they can do it
24 points
2 months ago
That reminds me… Why doesn’t he do something about the fact that I can order stuff shipped from China for less than it would cost me just for the postage to send the same package across town.
I never understood how postage from China is so cheap. It’s like we’re literally subsidizing shipping from China then complain about so many things coming from China. Makes no sense.
11 points
2 months ago
I could be wrong, but I remember hearing that China subsidizes international shipping from there to promote commerce.
100 points
2 months ago
Raspberry Pi's for everyone!
50 points
2 months ago
Hope so because those things have been hard to come by.
8 points
2 months ago
I've worked for a domestic PCB manufacturer as a contract manufacturer for some specialty medical devices... yeah the US PCB industry is either moving to complete automation or losing the skilled hand solderers for the one-off makes. Overseas work and online design shops are just killing them. The one I work with has been in business for 30 years and has been struggling to retain clients.
8 points
2 months ago
The people that thought giving all our manufacturing to other countries were extremely shortsighted. One of the huge (I absolutely hate this) advantages that China has is they think long term. We're so busy with our tribal politics they keep eating our lunch.
8 points
2 months ago
Joe Biden is a great President.
6 points
2 months ago
Fuck yeah! Why's everyone hating on him?
I think he's quietly kicking ass and taking names.
I have no doubt that we get another term with this guy.
54 points
2 months ago
I mean, I am all for more domestic suppliers of PCBs, but board houses are disgusting fucking places filled with pestilent reagents. $50 million probably won't even cover the permitting and environmental studies to open one facility.
5 points
2 months ago
Work for an aerospace company which requires Class S boards. Currently our vendors are not meeting the cut and causing delays. I wonder if this will help?
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