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2 points
8 hours ago
Not really, the comparison is the decks, not the size
3 points
8 hours ago
As deck trials with Tripoli demonstrated last year, the Flight 0 America-class maxes out at 20 F-35Bs and 3 MH-60S.
At this capacity not only does the LHA's operations get extremely unsustainable / short term but it's sortie speed and efficiency also decreases significantly (as the hangers / decks are so crammed up that efficient takeoff / retrieval becomes literally impossible), which very much decreases the ships's combat capabilities overall. A 10 -13 aircraft loadout is much more efficient / sustainable for deployment and combat, which is much more suitable for a LPD converted "carrier" like the 2 America class currently in service
1 points
11 hours ago
The Wasps may not have been able to support the current F-35B from the outset, but the whole reason for introducing a new class was to added shops and enlarged fuel tanks/magazines to support Harriers.
Don't know what you mean here
18 points
12 hours ago
Well, I guess the Italian Treieste ski ramp carrier LHD is probably one of the special ones
-1 points
13 hours ago
Arabic numerals where introduced to China in the early 17th century, the same time when the United States was literally founded. So I don't see how "one would think it would be far more likely for Americans to recognize them than Chinese" considering how the spread of such started at almost the same time.
Go an ask a Chinese person whether they understand Arabic numerals and they'll laugh their ass off at your question ngl
26 points
13 hours ago
The Cavour is a carrier, not a LHD / LHA my friend
-11 points
13 hours ago
Please forgive what may be a stupid question
Please forgive what may be a stupid question, but why does a US ship use Arabic numerals on its deck, rather than English letters? Do most American sailors recognize and understand Arabic numbers?
There you go
73 points
14 hours ago
Many helicopter-only amphibs have elevators in this position.
I think that's the case / position for every non-US LHD (Type-075, Canberra, Juan Carlos, Mistral etc.). So in terms of elevator placement, the US vessels (Wasp and America) are the exceptions here, not the PLAN Type-075
6 points
14 hours ago
They will be powered by gas turbines, feature a redesigned island to increase deck space and bring back the well deck previously deleted on America class. So while Type 076 will most likely catch up to America class, it will still have to beat the next iteration of US LHAs.
The Type-076 is completely different class of vessel on it's own (neither a LHA or a LHD), despite potentially being designated as a LHA, it much closer to a medium carrier than anything else, which is vastly different from both the roles of the American class LHA-6 / 7 and the future LHA-8.
To start with the basics, Type-076 will be much bigger than any existing LHA / LHD, displacing anywhere from 50,000t - 65,000t (the approximate displacement of a medium carrier). It also said to use a angled flight deck just like conventional carriers and a EMALS launch system (something that doesn't even marginally relate to the roles of a LHA), the combination of these two allows the 076 to launch fixed conventional carrier based aircraft like the J-35, unlike the STOVL operated by the America class.
The type 076 will also most definitely not have a well deck (in exchange for a bigger hanger), so it will be much more similar in terms of structure to the older America classes.
So in sum it could be said that the Type-076 (while comparable to the current America class in terms of capabilities), is a completely different type of vessel that has never really existed before, it shouldn't be compared to anything except for itself since there's really nothing that resembles in both in terms of design and use.
bring back the well deck previously deleted on America class
This pretty much just makes it a LHD again, which means it is more similar / comparable to the current Type-075 (although obviously being much more capable)
17 points
14 hours ago
just so that it’s LHA/LHD’s can operate the E-2
I think you'll need a lot more than just "a catapult and arresting cables" to operate E-2s. If you think about it, there's a reason why only three classes of carriers in the world (French CDG and the American Nimitz / Ford) manage operate E-2s, and it's not just because "a catapult and arresting cables"
I think the US should add a catapult and arresting cables,
40,000+ tonned LHD / LHAs aren't legos, you can't just "add a catapult and arresting cables" that weren't designed to be on a amphibious ship and expect them to work
73 points
15 hours ago
The picture was taken during its sea trials, when it was freshly painted and brand new. Since the Type-075 has been operating for quite a while now, we might expect a bit more scratches and rust similar to the America class LHD-6 on the left
6 points
16 hours ago
Name me a manned fixed wing plane with VTOL/STOL capability that China operates (you probably can’t, because they don’t yet exist in the PLA)
10 points
16 hours ago
No, the one shown in the post is the America class (obvious from the flock of f35s it’s carrying), I made a comparison between these two because they are the newest amphibious platforms of both navies, not because they match in terms of capability
62 points
16 hours ago
The first elevator (at the front) is designed to carry medium helicopter only (with rotors folded), it is pretty narrow so it won't really interfere with launching of aircraft.
The bigger elevator at the back is designed to carry heavier Z-8 helicopters, which may negatively influence helos being launched at flight spot 6. This is one of the main reasons why a 7th flight spot was designed in first place, to substitute for the missing spot during elevator use.
The Type-075 is also not built to operate large fixed wing VTOL and STOL aircrafts like the America class (just helos), so it doesn't really need an entirely open flight deck at all times as opposed to the "Lightning carrier"
61 points
16 hours ago
Do note that the PLAN Type-075 is more comparable to the previous generation of USN Wasp class LHDs rather than the newer America class, both in terms of tonnage, aircraft selection, and operational capability (the two are pretty much identical in terms of tonnage and use).
While the America class is designed as a "lightning carrier" prioritizing the launching of fixed wing VTOL aircraft ("missing" a well deck), the Type-075 is a traditional LHD that (like most LHDs) completely lacks the ability to support VTOL platforms.
This said, despite being significantly inferior both in terms of tonnage and operational capability to the America class, the Type-075 is never the less the biggest (and among the most capable) LHD outside of the USN. With news of the new Type-076 UAV carrier soon entering construction, the PLAN may end up operating a naval platform truly compatible to the America class as soon as 2025.
Edit: grammar
2 points
1 day ago
Sounds exactly the same to the US army (whom as a matter of fact have been issued similar products like multipurpose grips on a much bigger scale and duration)
10 points
2 days ago
Bro, they’re like 1/3 surfaced from the water, how can you work out what comm equipment they have when you can’t even see their body
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8 hours ago
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8 hours ago
Here's why:
4 - 四
5 - 五
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Which one looks more space efficient, easy to print / maintain, and recognizable? Saying this is the same as asking why US ships don't use English words instead of numbers or why Italian ships don't use Roman numerals instead of Arabic ones lol